Todo sobre ISIS/Estado Islámico - Aquí

[Astrid]

No es por abrir otro debate Astrid, en serio, que polemizar por polemizar no me interesa, pero todo el mundo sabe que la política de admisiones puede flexibilizarse en función del dinero que dones a la institución. George W (el que confunde greek y grecian) fue admitido a Yale. Y con eso no estoy poniendo en duda el nivel del alumnado en general, que es top, como lo es igualmente en las universidades públicas/privadas europeas de primer nivel, aunque haya menos premios Nobel entre el profesorado.

He puesto el ejemplo de George W porque es el primero que me ha venido a la cabeza. Un poco de humor político nunca está de más en estos hilos tan apasionados.

http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/13747.George_W_Bush

Completamente de acuerdo. Hay quien entra en esas universidades por un endowment, tradicion, o por donativo (gift) familiar a la institucion como es muy posible que hiciera W que debe haberse acogido a cuanto privilegio tuvo para entrar a Yale y luego a Harvard, pero sinceramente, @Ondina, esas son las excepciones. La inmensa mayoria de los que se graduan de las universidades ivy league lo hacen por merito propio y porque se han sometido a un concurso de entrada super riguroso. De eso no tengo la menor duda. Claro, no digo que todo el que ponga un pie en esas universidades sea una lumbrera. Vamos, sin ir muy lejos, mi mejor amigo con quien hablo lo menos un par de veces al dia se graduo de Harvard (con beca durante 5 an~os.) Esto le ha abierto de par en par las puertas al mundo profesional pero te juro que cada vez que cuelgo el telefono me pregunto, como es posible que este hombre pasara por Harvard? No encontraras en el un apice de sentido comun. En fin, disculpa el off-topic pero como bien dices, un poco de humor o distraccion nunca esta de mas en estos hilos.

Un saludo.

 

[Astrid]

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[bambina]

Completamente de acuerdo. Hay quien entra en esas universidades por un endowment, tradicion, o por donativo (gift) familiar a la institucion como es muy posible que hiciera W que debe haberse acogido a cuanto privilegio tuvo para entrar a Yale y luego a Harvard, pero sinceramente, @Ondina, esas son las excepciones. La inmensa mayoria de los que se graduan de las universidades ivy league lo hacen por merito propio y porque se han sometido a un concurso de entrada super riguroso. De eso no tengo la menor duda. Claro, no digo que todo el que ponga un pie en esas universidades sea una lumbrera. Vamos, sin ir muy lejos, mi mejor amigo con quien hablo lo menos un par de veces al dia se graduo de Harvard (con beca durante 5 an~os.) Esto le ha abierto de par en par las puertas al mundo profesional pero te juro que cada vez que cuelgo el telefono me pregunto, como es posible que este hombre pasara por Harvard? No encontraras en el un apice de sentido comun. En fin, disculpa el off-topic pero como bien dices, un poco de humor o distraccion nunca esta de mas en estos hilos.

Un saludo.

si, jajaja, eso es verdad, son excelentes en lo suyo, en el campo que decidieron hacerse de su profesion. Pero en la vida diaria se cuelgan, falta inteligencia emocional y balance.

 

[Hala]

 

[Astrid]

si, jajaja, eso es verdad, son excelentes en lo suyo, en el campo que decidieron hacerse de su profesion. Pero en la vida diaria se cuelgan, falta inteligencia emocional y balance.

Si, lo has clavado!!! El clasico nerd que se sentaba en la primera fila de la clase mirando por encima del hombro cuidandandose de que nadie pudiera fijar la vista en su cuaderno de notas. Super competitivo. En los SAT, su score despuntaba la media, un genio en las matematicas, ciencias y para rematar, los idiomas. Muy culto, pero con una inteligencia emocional de 0. Seguro que todos hemos conocido algunos de estos personajes.....

 

[Volandovoy]

¿Vivimos en una sociedad sometida al miedo? La teoría dominante del contrato social, de Hobbes, afirma que nos unimos en sociedad precisamente por el miedo. Y que el miedo es el cohesionador social fundamental Nos unimos por miedo a... (...) Históricamente, lo han utilizado tiranos, conquistadores, la iglesia católica… Sin embargo, actualmente existen métodos más sofisticados de difundirlo, como la publicidad, el marketing, y los medios de comunicación masivos, convirtiéndolo en arma de destrucción masiva. Cualquier gobierno intenta controlar esos medios porque conocen su poder; el poder de controlar a sus ciudadanos http://w

 

[pato laqueado]

General Wesley Clark: "ISIS Got Started Through Funding From Our Friends & Allies"

• Israel
  
• Middle East

Not that it was really a conspiracy 'theory' but with General Wesley Clark (ret.) now openly admitting "ISIS got started through funding from our friends and allies... to fight to the death against Hezbollah" it appears the 'angel investors' cat is out of the bag. Adding that "they recruited the zealots and religious fundamentalists" Clark says 'we' create "Frankenstein." He is careful not to name names, but we ask (rhetorically of course), which of our (oil-bearing) allies has the biggest bone to pick with Hezbollah (apart from Israel of course)?



Clark on creating Frankenstein...




Which explains, as MiddleEastEye notes, the questions about ISIS' rapid geopolitical expansion despite lack of enthusiasm for its cause among ordinary people...



...a puzzling matter exists. While al-Qaeda during its most violent phases won the support of many people in the region, IS is hardly popular. Even the support of Salafist jihadists here and there is diminishing.



In fact, while many despise them, conspiracy theorists are busy linking them to Israel, the US and other Arab regimes, which could be considered the ultimate disavowal of the group.



Not only does IS seem to have no strategy of its own, but its “strategy” is inexplicably and enigmatically consistent with those who are seeking to maintain military intervention, regionally and internationally, as the only way to handle Middle East crises.

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Now let's see: whose strategy is to keep the middle east on constant edge?



http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-...ot-started-through-funding-our-friends-allies

 

[pato laqueado]

Vaya...parece que hay foreros a quienes les molesta que se recuerde que el mismìsimo general Clark haya declarado que el ISIS està financiado por "nuestros amigos y aliados", y que "hemos creado un Frankestein". Tema repetido, se aprestan, apresuran, despepitan y corren a calificar "tema repetido"...........se pueden repetir mil y doscientas mil veces videos sobre cuya veracidad hasta el mismìsimo presidente Obama ha manifestado alguna duda...y no pasa nada, pero les molesta que se traigan unas declaraciones de un general norteamericano...

Pues lo siento. Temo que repetirè todo lo que me pareza. Son palabras de un general americano, no mìas.

 

[Astrid]

Tuve la paciencia de ir pagina por pagina para confirmar que el enlace sobre el extracto de las declaraciones de Wesley Clark que aparece mas arriba esta colgado, lo menos, un par de veces mas. Eso es solo en este tema porque lo he visto repetido infinidad de veces mas en otros hilos al punto que ya para mi se ha convertido en una especie de empapelado de fondo o wallpaper...apenas lo distingo del logo de Cotilleando.

Iraq: Isis militants pledge to destroy remaining archaeological treasures in Nimrud

Once one of the great cities of the Assyrian Empire, 2,500 years ago, Nimrud lies within Isis-held territory east of the Tigris river, 30 miles south of Mosul

Patrick Cockburn

Irbil Friday 27 February 2015

Isis militants have targeted the remains of the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud for destruction after filming themselves smashing statues and artefacts in the Mosul Museum.

The men, who used sledgehammers and electric drills to destroy archaeological treasures, are said to have told bystanders that they would continue their work of destruction in Nimrud.

Once one of the great cities of the Assyrian Empire, 2,500 years ago, Nimrud lies within Isis-held territory east of the Tigris river, 30 miles south of Mosul.

Archaeologists are worried that the Isis video released on Thursday, showing the destruction of the antiquities and denouncing them as idols and against Islam, will encourage mass looting of the remains of ancient cities and palaces across northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

The final scene in the video is shot not in Mosul Museum, but outside at the so-called Nirgal Gate of the Assyrian city of Nineveh which is intertwined with modern Mosul, which was captured by the jihadist group last year.

A black-clad man is drilling into a massive stone Winged Bull which the Assyrians commonly placed at entrances to their cities, palaces and throne rooms. The man says: “Oh Muslims, these artefacts that are behind me were idols and gods worshipped by people who lived centuries ago instead of Allah.”

“I am fearful that there will be mass looting as in Syria,” said Katharyn Hanson, a fellow at the University of Pennsylvania’s Cultural Heritage Centre and a specialist in Mesopotamian archaeology, who is visiting Erbil. She says that Nineveh, Nimrud and other cities of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, which once stretched from the Gulf to the Mediterranean, will “become like Dura-Europos on the Euphrates, a moonscape of craters [from looters pits].” Dura-Europos is a Hellenistic city whose site used to be known as “the Pompeii of the Syrian desert”.

Isis militants have targeted the remains of the ancient Assyrian city of Nimrud for destruction after filming themselves smashing statues and artefacts in the Mosul Museum.

The men, who used sledgehammers and electric drills to destroy archaeological treasures, are said to have told bystanders that they would continue their work of destruction in Nimrud.

Once one of the great cities of the Assyrian Empire, 2,500 years ago, Nimrud lies within Isis-held territory east of the Tigris river, 30 miles south of Mosul.

Archaeologists are worried that the Isis video released on Thursday, showing the destruction of the antiquities and denouncing them as idols and against Islam, will encourage mass looting of the remains of ancient cities and palaces across northern Iraq and eastern Syria.

The final scene in the video is shot not in Mosul Museum, but outside at the so-called Nirgal Gate of the Assyrian city of Nineveh which is intertwined with modern Mosul, which was captured by the jihadist group last year.

A black-clad man is drilling into a massive stone Winged Bull which the Assyrians commonly placed at entrances to their cities, palaces and throne rooms. The man says: “Oh Muslims, these artefacts that are behind me were idols and gods worshipped by people who lived centuries ago instead of Allah.”

“I am fearful that there will be mass looting as in Syria,” said Katharyn Hanson, a fellow at the University of Pennsylvania’s Cultural Heritage Centre and a specialist in Mesopotamian archaeology, who is visiting Erbil. She says that Nineveh, Nimrud and other cities of the Neo-Assyrian Empire, which once stretched from the Gulf to the Mediterranean, will “become like Dura-Europos on the Euphrates, a moonscape of craters [from looters pits].” Dura-Europos is a Hellenistic city whose site used to be known as “the Pompeii of the Syrian desert”.

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The five ancient cities most under threat from Isis are Nineveh, Nimrud, Ashur, Khorsabad and Hatra, all of which stand on the territory of the self-declared Islamic State. A government official in Baghdad in contact with Mosul was quoted by Al Jazeera television as saying that those breaking up the statues “told the people they will go next to Nimrud” to continue their work of destruction. Ms Hanson said Isis officials made similar threats against the Greco-Roman city of Hatra last year, though there is no evidence of destruction from there.

Fortunately, the most famous surviving monuments at Nimrud - the great Winged Bulls - are now in the British Museum, brought there by Henry Layard in the mid-19th Century. The golden treasure of Nimrud, 613 pieces of gold and precious stone excavated in the 1990s, is in Baghdad. But other artefacts at the site, protected from the weather by sheds, could be vandalised and destroyed. It is already in some danger from its proximity to the battle lines between Isis and the Kurds where there has been much fighting and heavy US air strikes in recent weeks.

During the Iraq War I visited the Mosul Museum in 2003 when the Kurds overran Mosul; it was one of the only public buildings not to be ransacked after staff persuaded looters not to enter. At that time, it contained only a limited number of important antiquities because others had been taken to Baghdad for safekeeping after the Kurdish and Shia uprisings of 1991.

Many of the statues which the Isis militants were shown destroying in the video are in fact plaster casts, as can be seen from the ease with which they shatter when struck by a sledgehammer or toppled onto the floor. Truly ancient items made of alabaster are far harder and more difficult to break, Ms Hanson said.

However, although at first she “felt that the damage could have been a lot worse”, when she saw the Winged Bull of the Nirgal Gate being destroyed with a drill she realised that all such sites are at risk. Iraq has a total of 12,000 registered archaeological sites, of which 1,800 are in Isis-held territory.

Ms Hanson said that the video does not show what has happened to the prehistoric or Islamic galleries in the museum and fears that items from these might be sold to dealers, part of a trade which is said to be netting Isis significant sums. Also in danger from looters are cuneiform tablets that can be easily sold on the international black market.

During my own visit 12 years ago I noticed that Mosul Museum had many items from Hatra, a Greco-Roman city but inhabited by Arabs, a fact which made Saddam Hussein’s government keen to promote excavations in order to underline Iraq’s Arabic heritage.

In January last year, after Isis blew up a Sixth Century mosaic found near Raqqa, Professor Maamoun Abdulkarim, general director of antiquities and museums at the Ministry of Culture in Damascus, said that extreme Islamic iconoclasm was a calamity.

An expert on the Roman and early Christian periods in Syria, he added: “I am sure that if the crisis continues in Syria we shall have the destruction of all the crosses from the early Christian world, mosaics with mythological figures and thousands of Greek and Roman statues.” His predictions have turned out to be all too true.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...haeological-treasures-in-nimrud-10076133.html

 

[Ruffin]

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Wesley Clark: "Our friends and allies funded ISIS to destroy Hezbollah"



...siempre acordarse de las revelaciones de Gen. Clark en cuanto a las intenciones de Chaney, Perle, Wolfovitz & Co - todos ellos firmatarios del Plan de PNAC "Clean Break" de os '90 que busca una "defensa ofensiva" para fomentar la seguridad del Estado de Israel en el MO - gobierno de Bush inmediatamente después de los atentados del 11-S:

 

[Ruffin]

Vaya...parece que hay foreros a quienes les molesta que se recuerde que el mismìsimo general Clark haya declarado que el ISIS està financiado por "nuestros amigos y aliados", y que "hemos creado un Frankestein". Tema repetido, se aprestan, apresuran, despepitan y corren a calificar "tema repetido"...........se pueden repetir mil y doscientas mil veces videos sobre cuya veracidad hasta el mismìsimo presidente Obama ha manifestado alguna duda...y no pasa nada, pero les molesta que se traigan unas declaraciones de un general norteamericano...

Pues lo siento. Temo que repetirè todo lo que me pareza. Son palabras de un general americano, no mìas.

 

[Astrid]

Algunos enlaces por si hay algun interes en conocer de que va Zero Hedge, el webiste de donde han sacado esta vez el extracto de las declaraciones de Wesley Clark:

http://nypost.com/2009/08/21/blogger-may-have-a-past/

http://business.time.com/2009/10/01/wall-streeters-like-conspiracy-theories-always-have/

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Zero_Hedge
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"Tyler seems to repeat The Economic Collapse Blog's idea of posting blog articles many times a day and encouraging people to post it as far and wide as humanly possible."

"The law firm behind the suit describes Zero Hedge as "a portal for people to anonymously distribute derogatory information concerning public companies," giving the impression that Zero Hedge may well have arranged many such pay-to-defame schemes."