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Kenan Malik

Catalonia’s problems demand political debate, not jail

Sun 5 Nov 2017 00.05 GMT Last modified on Mon 4 Dec 2017 14.46 GMT

Catalonia’s former president Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels. Photograph: Olivier Matthys/AP
Eight former ministers of the ousted Catalonian government are in prison, awaiting charges of sedition and rebellion. A European arrest warrant has been issued for the apprehension of former Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, now holed up in Brussels.

For supporters of the government, such strong-arm tactics in response to Catalonia’s declaration of independence is a necessary defence of the rule of law. For supporters of Catalan independence, it is a mortal attack on democracy. In reality, both sides have reduced democracy and law to hollow shells.

The actions of the Catalan government were contrary to the provisions of the Spanish constitution but the issue cannot be reduced to legal formalism. What is being played out in Catalonia is a confrontation over political legitimacy. Whatever the legal issues, it can only be resolved at a political level.

The problem with the actions of the Catalan government is that they were undemocratic. Polls have consistently shown that only a minority of Catalans support independence; over the past three years, support has remained at 40-45%. A slightly higher percentage, but still a minority, oppose independence. Catalonia is split down the middle.

The action of the Catalan government in declaring independence was, at best, foolish. Its reason – that 90% of voters backed independence in last month’s referendum – ignores that fact that only 43% had been able to, or willing to, take part. The parliamentary vote on independence was pushed through in a late-night session that most of the opposition boycotted. Independence was less about respecting democracy than about political machinations.

Puigdemont, having declared independence, promptly fled to Brussels. Rather than face up to the consequences of his actions or engage in a political debate inside Spain, he simply vacated the arena. He seemed more interested in making high-stakes gestures than in furthering democracy.

But if the actions of the Catalan government are hardly those of politicians respecting democracy, those of the Madrid government are equally unpalatable. From police brutality in response to the referendum, to the imprisoning of democratically elected politicians, Madrid has sought to address the political issues raised by the question of Catalan independence through force and coercion.

While only a minority of Catalans support independence, there is mounting disaffection with rule from Madrid. The numbers backing secession have nearly doubled since 2010. Under a third want to maintain the status quo. It is not just in Catalonia that there exists such disaffection with central government. Harsh austerity policies, soaring unemployment and a sense of mainstream institutions deaf to people’s needs have stoked popular grievances throughout Spain. The irony is that Catalonia is its richest region and anger often takes the form of resentment at “bailing out” the rest of Spain.

Whatever the roots of the anger, it needs to be addressed, which Madrid has failed to do. In imprisoning politicians, Madrid is effectively criminalising political dissent. The “rule of law” has become a cloak for a refusal to engage in a political debate in socially fragmented Spain. Democracy and the rule of law depend upon political legitimacy. That is what neither side possesses.
El titular es demoledor.
 
Y no solo esos, este también ¿Suena el argumento, verdad? Bueno, más que sonar, apesta a lo mismo.
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Gonzalo Boye, uno de los abogados de Cocomocho se pasó 14 años en la trena por participar en el secuestro de Emiliano Revilla.
Y Jaume Alonso-Cuevillas, otro de sus abogados, fue acusado varias veces por quedarse con dinero que no era suyo.
 
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El Gobierno español sumará a Junqueras las condenas que no vaya a cumplir Puigdemont
"SEGUIM!", TUITEABA PUIGDEMONT TRAS CONOCER LA NOTICIA



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Después del revés recibido por el Gobierno de España tras la puesta en libertad de Carles Puigdemont por parte de la justicia alemana, el juez Pablo Llarena ha decidido esta semana, a instancias del Ejecutivo, que sumará a Oriol Junqueras las condenas que no vaya a cumplir el líder del PDeCAT.

El exvicepresidente de Cataluña, que permanece en la prisión madrileña de Estremera desde el pasado dos de noviembre, asumiría por tanto todos los delitos atribuidos a Carles Puigdemont y, de esta manera, el Tribunal Supremo se asegura de que los actos del expresidente catalán durante la última legislatura no quedan impunes, ya que “Junqueras pagará por todos y cada uno de ellos”.

Con esta maniobra ideada para burlar la justicia alemana, el líder de Esquerra Republicana se enfrenta a 50 años más de prisión. “Seguiremos adelante aunque a Junqueras le caigan cien años más, nadie nos va a parar”, ha dicho hoy Carles Puigdemont desde Alemania. “Haré lo que tenga que hacer y si Junqueras se tiene que sacrificar por ello, lo asumiré con resignación y determinación”, ha prometido. “Seguim!”, tuiteaba poco después de trascender la decisión de Llarena.

Según fuentes anónimas del poder judicial, se está barajando también la posibilidad de añadir a la pena de Oriol Junqueras las condenas que puedan imponerse en el futuro a Iñaki Urdangarin, Rodrigo Rato o Esperanza Aguirre, entre otros, así como la de un delito de robo con fuerza ocurrido hace una semana en Huesca y del que la policía ha sido incapaz de encontrar al culpable.
 
In Spain, democracy and law are being reduced to hollow shells
Kenan_Malik,_L.png

Kenan Malik

Catalonia’s problems demand political debate, not jail

Sun 5 Nov 2017 00.05 GMT Last modified on Mon 4 Dec 2017 14.46 GMT

Catalonia’s former president Carles Puigdemont fled to Brussels. Photograph: Olivier Matthys/AP
Eight former ministers of the ousted Catalonian government are in prison, awaiting charges of sedition and rebellion. A European arrest warrant has been issued for the apprehension of former Catalan president, Carles Puigdemont, now holed up in Brussels.

For supporters of the government, such strong-arm tactics in response to Catalonia’s declaration of independence is a necessary defence of the rule of law. For supporters of Catalan independence, it is a mortal attack on democracy. In reality, both sides have reduced democracy and law to hollow shells.

The actions of the Catalan government were contrary to the provisions of the Spanish constitution but the issue cannot be reduced to legal formalism. What is being played out in Catalonia is a confrontation over political legitimacy. Whatever the legal issues, it can only be resolved at a political level.

The problem with the actions of the Catalan government is that they were undemocratic. Polls have consistently shown that only a minority of Catalans support independence; over the past three years, support has remained at 40-45%. A slightly higher percentage, but still a minority, oppose independence. Catalonia is split down the middle.

The action of the Catalan government in declaring independence was, at best, foolish. Its reason – that 90% of voters backed independence in last month’s referendum – ignores that fact that only 43% had been able to, or willing to, take part. The parliamentary vote on independence was pushed through in a late-night session that most of the opposition boycotted. Independence was less about respecting democracy than about political machinations.

Puigdemont, having declared independence, promptly fled to Brussels. Rather than face up to the consequences of his actions or engage in a political debate inside Spain, he simply vacated the arena. He seemed more interested in making high-stakes gestures than in furthering democracy.

But if the actions of the Catalan government are hardly those of politicians respecting democracy, those of the Madrid government are equally unpalatable. From police brutality in response to the referendum, to the imprisoning of democratically elected politicians, Madrid has sought to address the political issues raised by the question of Catalan independence through force and coercion.

While only a minority of Catalans support independence, there is mounting disaffection with rule from Madrid. The numbers backing secession have nearly doubled since 2010. Under a third want to maintain the status quo. It is not just in Catalonia that there exists such disaffection with central government. Harsh austerity policies, soaring unemployment and a sense of mainstream institutions deaf to people’s needs have stoked popular grievances throughout Spain. The irony is that Catalonia is its richest region and anger often takes the form of resentment at “bailing out” the rest of Spain.

Whatever the roots of the anger, it needs to be addressed, which Madrid has failed to do. In imprisoning politicians, Madrid is effectively criminalising political dissent. The “rule of law” has become a cloak for a refusal to engage in a political debate in socially fragmented Spain. Democracy and the rule of law depend upon political legitimacy. That is what neither side possesses.
Hay que fijarse en esto

The problem with the actions of the Catalan government is that they were undemocratic. Polls have consistently shown that only a minority of Catalans support independence; over the past three years, support has remained at 40-45%. A slightly higher percentage, but still a minority, oppose independence. Catalonia is split down the middle.
The action of the Catalan government in declaring independence was, at best, foolish. Its reason – that 90% of voters backed independence in last month’s referendum – ignores that fact that only 43% had been able to, or willing to, take part. The parliamentary vote on independence was pushed through in a late-night session that most of the opposition boycotted. Independence was less about respecting democracy than about political machinations.

Puigdemont, having declared independence, promptly fled to Brussels. Rather than face up to the consequences of his actions or engage in a political debate inside Spain, he simply vacated the arena. He seemed more interested in making high-stakes gestures than in furthering democracy.
 
Hay que fijarse en esto

The problem with the actions of the Catalan government is that they were undemocratic. Polls have consistently shown that only a minority of Catalans support independence; over the past three years, support has remained at 40-45%. A slightly higher percentage, but still a minority, oppose independence. Catalonia is split down the middle.
The action of the Catalan government in declaring independence was, at best, foolish. Its reason – that 90% of voters backed independence in last month’s referendum – ignores that fact that only 43% had been able to, or willing to, take part. The parliamentary vote on independence was pushed through in a late-night session that most of the opposition boycotted. Independence was less about respecting democracy than about political machinations.

Puigdemont, having declared independence, promptly fled to Brussels. Rather than face up to the consequences of his actions or engage in a political debate inside Spain, he simply vacated the arena. He seemed more interested in making high-stakes gestures than in furthering democracy.
¿Ves como eres troll? Haces que no sabes casi ni escribir en castellano pero luego entiendes inglés que te las pelas, jajajaja. Lo sé desde lo de la España romana vista desde el satélite, ahí te sobraste. Volviendo al tema: a mí me gusta más el titular, que lo es porque es lo que el autor desea destacar: que "en España, la democracia y la ley están siendo vaciadas de significado".
 
Es que Inés hace muy bien las cosas.... es más fácil arreglar lo ajeno que lo propio. Por cierto, ¿ Ha dejado alguna perlita? ¿ No dijo la burrada " La Constitución del 39"? ---- Un lince la chica
Es coña o ha ido de verdad??Y si ha ido.A que?? A llevar más circo español por Europa??Madre!! Como está la patria.
 
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